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form of psychic experience but local

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enough to be confined within our brains

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namely the way we communicate with

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and the way that's related to our brain

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process I think that the fundamental

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issue that they cart left to us was how

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in modern terms how complex systems

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which are open to external energy mass

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and so forth could register a conscious

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experience and how conscious experience

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could be informed by those complex

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systems so what I'd like to explore

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toward a a science of conscious systems

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is first of all what the domain of study

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ought to be every science I'm the

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philosopher of science needs an

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empirical domain so what what are the

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systems that might be conscious and I

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would say that there are candidates at

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just about every scale we're conscious

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of course our million friends are I'm

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sure the insects that Tom is at Dijkstra

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our conscious but ourselves conscious

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regulative principle would be to

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consider the whole spectrum third we

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have to ask how complex systems could

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interrelate with conscious experience

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and that conscious experience may be

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conceived as a separate substance as

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Descartes did it could be conceived of

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as an aspect of complex systems and/or

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consciousness and complexity may be seen

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as two different expressions of the same

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thing but however we conceive the

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ontology the question is how does our

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consciousness influence our brain and

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vice versa and that's a very real

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question from an evolutionary point of

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view because obviously consciousness or

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greater and greater degrees of it has

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proven to have an evolutionary function

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or our brains would not have evolved the

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way they have so finally I want to

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explore just what kinds of scientific

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programs could actually study such

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issues so to begin with let's consider

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the possible candidates for conscious

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systems is consciousness limited to

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mammals or vertebrates if so is there

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consciousness associated with all the

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information processing inherent in their

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bodies or associated more directly with

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computational sophistication of their

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brains certain brain structures or

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certain patterns of brain activity such

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as coherently firing neurons do plants

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and fungi have their own forms of

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consciousness our single cells such as

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electric currents and other constituents

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of conscious systems are they conscious

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and what I'm trying to do is to stretch

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our imaginations as to the possible

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conscious systems to then try to limit

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the domain of conscious systems to talk

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about what such a science would be like

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do the super positions of the states of

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certain bodily components that are

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conscious systems is the universe or

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multiverse considered as a system

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subsystems you'll recognize that is the

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question of God's existence

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are there any systems or phenomena which

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which are conscious do lovers families

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societies or civilization enjoy a form

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of shared consciousness Bob John once

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suggested that in in in I I think it was

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in remote viewing experiments that the

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the or telepathic experiments I I forget

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phenomena seem to transcend our our own

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individuality our ecosystems or the

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biosphere conscious can sophisticated

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robots be conscious so

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of all these possibilities what specific

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kinds of experience or organization

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conscious systems well obviously they

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have experience and what I would also

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suggest is that they have memory because

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memory then we will not be applying our

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past experience in any way and we won't

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be conscious in the context that might

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qualify as pure consciousness without an

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object and without an identity but how

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would that consciousness even know it

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exists if it didn't have a memory to

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time being and that by the way implies

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certain kinds of physicality or

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materiality even in other dimensions but

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certain kinds of materiality are

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associated with conscious systems and

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now what kinds of systems would they be

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would interact with the mass and energy

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of their environment because clearly

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their open systems if they do quantum

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collapse of wave functions or however we

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conceive it that requires energy and if

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they have to be more or less organized

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to store that information and to

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organize their conscious responses their

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behavior then they have to be far from

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the equilibrium they have to sustain

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steady States they have to be sensitive

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systems and phenomena at many scales and

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degrees of organization including other

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conscious systems which are always in in

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our environment and vacuum fluctuations

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how put off and so forth we should never

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forget every atom is bathed in the

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vacuum so are our brains and so

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ourselves and we have to ask what

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significance that has assist conscious

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systems just like any others don't exist

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in a vacuum so what do conscious systems

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do most importantly they evaluate

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options construct patterns and initiate

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causal series in potentially creative

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Institute for the Study of conscious

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systems is along the lines of the

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acronym AIESEC Azam that is I think we

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should treat every different scale that

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equally so the AIESEC Azam then is the

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full spectrum of levels of organization

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smallest spatial or temporal scales the

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microcosm to the largest viewed without

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potential ability to harness or

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experience and behavior so what then is

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the relationship between consciousness

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conscious systems let's consider the

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understanding that atoms and cells and

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also be conscious well even the Nobel

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laureate Francis Crick an arch

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materialist if there ever were one spoke

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of the neural correlates of

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consciousness and he was interested in

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forty Hertz waves and so forth he

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forty Hertz range not only because

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conscious experience but also because

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the independence of firing and he

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thought that that would provide the

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opportunity for maximal information

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processing but there are also non neural

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correlates of consciousness Stuart

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large quantum phenomena age Amash means

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possibility I want to explore the other

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quantum gateway between source and

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sustaining all the possibilities might

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oscillations of the brain which are

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brain so what are the broader

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implications I think this perspective

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consciousness and complexity so that we

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things oh absolutely

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among the disciplines I list here would

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be quantum theorists and a bio of a mean

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to include biophysicist neuroscientists

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and necessarily that's not to say this

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solves the hard problem of consciousness

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and would reveal its nature

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Francesca McCartney yes under your

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conscious systems minimal attributes the

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world wide web has five out of the six

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minimal attributes would you consider

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the world wide web as a conscious system

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well I'd consider it as you might call

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it the neural correlates of bio

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spherical consciousness that is to say

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just as the nervous system emerged in

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multicellular organisms that were

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getting too complex to be efficient so

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the Internet has emerged in a society

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that's too complex to be efficient and

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the same mystery of consciousness may be

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associated with it if not now then

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eventually Bob John this is not so much

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a question of this speaker more of a

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comment and more pertaining to virtually

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everything we've been hearing the last

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few days we are as best I can summarize

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that attempting to make models of how

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consciousness perceives and for our

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business potentially influences physical

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reality my rhetorical question is given

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the amount of and and and disparity of

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effort we have put into that issue would

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it not be at least self consistent to

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compliment contemplate how consciousness

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constructs models of anything including

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of what I just said

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in fact wouldn't we quickly follow on

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through now not to a study of how

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consciousness affects reality but how

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consciousness models consciousness

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effects on reality and where do I stop

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there we can then go on to talk about

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how consciousness constructs models of

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consciousness constructing models of

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consciousness influencing reality

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because you see all of the concepts all

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of the vocabulary that has appeared in

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this business are inventions of our

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consciousness we are modeling the

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inventions of consciousness

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in an attempt to model from the get-go

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where does this all take you simply that

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you're digging yourself aggressively

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deeper epistemological hole here that is

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not likely to come out on the other end

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with anything terribly useful unless we

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show a little humility about our role on

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both sides of this issue I'm sure that's

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true that has to be our last question

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although the speaker may have something

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to say in reply I'm not sure well I I

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think that we all have different

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perspectives and yet we may be like the

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blind men around the elephant each

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seeing the part of the elephant he's in

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contact with and if we have that sense

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that we're all after an understanding of

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the same reality however its integrated

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we know that it's integrated or we

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wouldn't be here then we're working

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together at it rather than competing in

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our views and I think that attitude

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could lead to the kind of collaboration